tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24102082.post4396441904877727849..comments2023-11-05T04:42:25.107-05:00Comments on Chasing Strength: Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24102082.post-38634957388249269212007-08-25T09:56:00.000-05:002007-08-25T09:56:00.000-05:00"remember also, NONE of these systems were designe..."remember also, NONE of these systems were designed to produce "lifetime" weightlifters. they were used to produce champions who were not going to be trying to get masters records or even be lifting in their master years.<BR/>you could either handle the workloads( anabolically enhanced, of course) or you went back to the mine.lots of bodies to choose from."<BR/><BR/>Excellent point.Geoff Neuperthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11429352189298183355noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24102082.post-83172762319882689282007-08-24T15:11:00.000-05:002007-08-24T15:11:00.000-05:00geoff,the "it" is a bodytype that withstand the ri...geoff,<BR/><BR/>the "it" is a bodytype that withstand the rigors of lots of pulling and squatting. The russians did the same thing,pick lifters with the same somatype,pavel mentions it in his laterst PtP newsletter. <BR/>The russian dynamo club and others came up with the conjugate system first I believe. the bulgarians found they didnt need to do so if they picked the"right" body types.<BR/>Of course there are exceptions to every rule but I think you will find most of the bulgarians are built with similar levers, even if they are different height/weight classes.<BR/>proof, as always brother, is in the pudding. if it works it works.<BR/>remember also, NONE of these systems were designed to produce "lifetime" weightlifters. they were used to produce champions who were not going to be trying to get masters records or even be lifting in their master years.<BR/>you could either handle the workloads( anabolically enhanced, of course) or you went back to the mine.lots of bodies to choose from.Mark Reifkindhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13796716749125262941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24102082.post-21724710405773981242007-08-23T19:52:00.000-05:002007-08-23T19:52:00.000-05:00Rif, They were built for it--that's the rumor. But...Rif, They were built for it--that's the rumor. But what is the "It?" Are you saying that the Soviets weren't built for weightlifting? There are a lot of successful weightlifting teams now who are using hybrids of the two systems like the Greeks and the Chinese. Not only that, Chakarov didn't exactly "look" like he was built to be a weightlifter, but he is/was a Bulgarian...I don't think this "debate" will ever be settled.Geoff Neuperthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11429352189298183355noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24102082.post-65158677518596562282007-08-23T18:09:00.000-05:002007-08-23T18:09:00.000-05:00dude, I was a gymnast. I've lost track of how many...dude, I was a gymnast. I've lost track of how many times I landed on my head,lol.<BR/>as to whether I would have listened when I was younger: absolutely. I was the most coachable athlete ever.If I only would have had better coaches.<BR/>As far as the Bulgarian system vs the Russian conjugate system remember the reason the bulgarians only had to use just the basic competition moves was that they were built for it. all the athletes were the same basic build, just as all the best gymnasts are the same somotype.<BR/>the conjugate/wsb system is for those NOT built to do the lift.Mark Reifkindhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13796716749125262941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24102082.post-103641034027970692007-08-22T18:27:00.000-05:002007-08-22T18:27:00.000-05:00Well said! Glory is temporary, pain is forever.Thi...Well said! Glory is temporary, pain is forever.<BR/><BR/>This whole topic you are talking reminds me of book in the bible I am reading now.<BR/><BR/>There is a verse in Ecclesiastes 10:10 where King Solomon is talking about the foolishness of not backing off, taking rest, and re-sharpening the saw.<BR/><BR/>Ecc 10:10 If the ax is dull, and one does not sharpen the edge, Then he must use more strength, But Wisdom brings success.<BR/><BR/>Well apparently King Solomon figured it out more than 2600 years ago. If the ax (your body, your mind, your spirit, your business, you fill in the blank) is dull (overtrained, fatigued, injured, stagnant, overused, abused), re-sharpen the saw so that you do not have to use as much strength to get the job done. Basically an testament to the quality over quantity paradigm.<BR/><BR/>It makes perfect sense! If the ax is way too dull, of course you will naturally have to use more energy to cut the wood or object which will result in more QUANTITY. If you take the time to stop, rest and re-sharpen the tool, you will be instantly be stronger and thus your QUALITY of each strike will be better. Stronger by trying harder? No, stronger because the tool is prepared better and allows you to transfer you power and strength seamlessly and with more grace.<BR/><BR/>According to this scripture you actually get stronger by taking a break, by resting. In the last part of the scripture is says, "But wisdom brings success." That must logically mean that foolishness brings failure. If you are wise, you will take the time to sharpen the saw, much like the chapter in Stephen Covey's book The Seven Habits of Highly Effective People.<BR/><BR/>Take more vacations, spend more time doing recovery, Z-health, joint mobility, massage and just straight up relaxing. Read more, get outside more, be in nature and let your body recover and do other things.<BR/><BR/>Great post brother!Franz Snidemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07214347683076253495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24102082.post-77492886780575252422007-08-22T18:16:00.000-05:002007-08-22T18:16:00.000-05:00Geoff,Too damn funny!!! Love the link.I'm sure yo...Geoff,<BR/>Too damn funny!!! Love the link.<BR/>I'm sure you have another purpose - give me a minute and let me see..... ;)Brett Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03192435046685650988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24102082.post-64118310017885238192007-08-22T12:35:00.000-05:002007-08-22T12:35:00.000-05:00Frankie--MEA--Exactly. How do we find it? Trial an...Frankie--MEA--Exactly. How do we find it? Trial and error I expect--not only that it changes with the individual on a daily basis. As I get older, I like the idea of "efficiency" more and more.Geoff Neuperthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11429352189298183355noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24102082.post-53456014889498640532007-08-22T11:03:00.000-05:002007-08-22T11:03:00.000-05:00Geoff said "It's learning how to move all your joi...Geoff said "It's learning how to move all your joints in full ranges of motion and then integrating those motions. Then, and only then, load them."<BR/>---that is so HUGE!! Awesome post.<BR/><BR/>Mike NMike T Nelsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14997800230648983026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24102082.post-42164196718819866962007-08-22T08:37:00.000-05:002007-08-22T08:37:00.000-05:00Katie--I guess that explains scientifically the ex...Katie--I guess that explains scientifically the expression, "Youth is wasted on the young."Geoff Neuperthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11429352189298183355noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24102082.post-16489024186788625332007-08-21T23:30:00.000-05:002007-08-21T23:30:00.000-05:00Realistic decision making for the future isn't in ...Realistic decision making for the future isn't in the mind of a 20 year old.<BR/><BR/>Some of the latest research shows that the prefrontal cortex doesn't fully mature until the mid 20s. The prefrontal cortex is involved in decision making abilities, and unless this developmental process begins to occur earlier in age, athletes are going to continue to make mistakes (or whatever term you prefer here). These may not affect them today or even tomorrow, but as you said, where will they be in 10 years?<BR/><BR/>Great post and I too am guilty of banging my own head against the wall, but stopping is the ultimate payoff if you can do that much.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24102082.post-1181868840140175612007-08-21T20:04:00.000-05:002007-08-21T20:04:00.000-05:00How much is enough?The MEA (Minimal Effective Amou...How much is enough?<BR/><BR/>The MEA (Minimal Effective Amount).<BR/><BR/>Dr. Phil McGraw has an analogous term as well as Tim Ferris.<BR/><BR/>MEA is what efficiency is all about.Frankie Faireshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03372952832754062489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24102082.post-79358257634365785682007-08-21T19:30:00.000-05:002007-08-21T19:30:00.000-05:00Thanks Tim and Brett. Tim, that reminds me of a sa...Thanks Tim and Brett. <BR/><BR/>Tim, that reminds me of a saying I often use, "The best thing about banging your head against a wall is stopping."<BR/><BR/>Brett, go here: http://despair.com/mis24x30prin.html<BR/><BR/>that's sometimes how I feel...Geoff Neuperthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11429352189298183355noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24102082.post-88962572641163806932007-08-21T19:13:00.000-05:002007-08-21T19:13:00.000-05:00Geoff,How much is enough? or What is the least you...Geoff,<BR/>How much is enough? or What is the least you can do and still make progress? Z's quote is great but it is where most people live - just more. <BR/>PLers mistake stiffness for stability all the time.<BR/>Your base of movement is the foundation upon which all else is built - re-gain it, maintain it, improve it - never stop moving.<BR/>Train basic - Move well.<BR/><BR/>Great stuff Geoff - I am learning a great deal from your journey.Brett Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03192435046685650988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24102082.post-46024427247841497402007-08-21T18:43:00.000-05:002007-08-21T18:43:00.000-05:00Geoff, Great Post! We wouldn't have listened whe...Geoff, Great Post! We wouldn't have listened when we were younger. Most of the time we don't even listen now, even when we know better. At least I don't. Maybe the only "Prize" for pressing on through pain is the wisdom later gained that says we should've stopped. Hard lessons to learn. And yet for some reason I always act eager to keep learning the same lesson over and over. Again, awesome post.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13962780511516784300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24102082.post-48452556572582401732007-08-21T18:21:00.000-05:002007-08-21T18:21:00.000-05:00Thanks for the compliment, buddy. Even though we a...Thanks for the compliment, buddy. Even though we are taking currently different approaches to our current conditions, I'm surprised to how similar our experiences are. <BR/><BR/>Ever had head trauma?<BR/><BR/>I caught myself with my face after a throw in wrestling in HS. Stood up and somebody'd turned the lights out--there were some stars though! I think this has something to do with my knee issues. I will explore this possiblity in the future.<BR/><BR/>Do you think we would've listened when we were younger? Somehow I don't think so.Geoff Neuperthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11429352189298183355noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24102082.post-10036556229913744762007-08-21T18:12:00.000-05:002007-08-21T18:12:00.000-05:00Ah it's mine :))this is the one thing I too wished...Ah it's mine :))<BR/><BR/>this is the one thing I too wished I had done forever.You cannot give up basic ROMS for ANYTHING. And you need to always stay in touch with thes basic mobilities/felxibilities or they can get lost easily and the problem show up very quickly in a primal movement pattern.<BR/>good post.Mark Reifkindhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13796716749125262941noreply@blogger.com